What is the best liquid diet for during treatments?

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What is the best liquid diet for during treatments?

by thecaveman on Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hello. I have base of tongue cancer and cancer in surrounding lymph nodes of the neck. Perhaps I should place this post in the 'head and neck cancer' section, but I thought it best fit into the nutrition section. The key here is, I have a feeding tube and may soon not be able to swallow enough foods to maintain my weight. I am already very thin. The doctors have recommended ENSURE (a protein drink), but Ensure is loaded with sugars and that seems to violate everything I have studied about fighting cancer. Any help on what to drink and still maintain proper nutrition and weight is appreciated. ... or provide your opinion, is Ensure best for me? I am just afraid I may not be giving myself the best possible chance to succeed at this. Thank you all. Leonard.

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by trehouse60 on Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:00 AM

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I think you will get plenty of responses to choose from.  Personally I recommend that you get a juicer (or you can use a good blender and a strainer) and juice as much raw fruits and vegetables as you can. (organic if you can get them - and make sure to wash them well with soap and water and then rinse, rinse, rinse before juicing.)  Limit to one apple a day - apples have very potent cancer fighters, but they also have a lot of sugar.  Juice the apple seeds, too - they contain vitamin b-17 which will help fight the cancer. Avoid bananas - very high sugar content. You can get potassium from other fruits and vegetables, including berries which are very high in anti-oxidants as well as vitamins and both acetic and citric acid.  Cranberries are an especially potent cancer fighter. Mangosteen juice is an excellent choice - but limit to 3 or 4 ounces a day if you have any liver involvement.

Cruciferous veggies are key:  broccoli, asparagus, cauliflower, spinach, kale, brussels sprouts, beets, etc.  All of those can be juiced. Thin with water or fruit juice to desired consistency.  Don't worry about the sugar in the fruit juice - most of it is fructose, which actually is a cancer fighter.  As long as you aren't adding cane sugar, you should be ok.  If you're still able to drink, and need a sweetener, use pure honey or pure maple syrup, crystallized fructose, agave nectar, or powdered stevia (liquid stevia/extract contains alcohol and is a no-no.)

You need lots of b vitamins as well as vitamin c.  Activated powdered brewers yeast is an excellent choice - put a tsp of it in your juiced foods 2 or 3 times a day.  Lecithin will help you get the essential fatty acids you need - you can use up to a TBSP of lecithin in your juices per day.

Unsweetened concord grape juice is a good choice - it is very rich in OPC's which will fight cancer.  Don't worry about the natural sugar - it's primarily fructose, which will carry the cancer fighting phytochemicals into the cancer cells, plus fructose actually inhibits fermentation, which is the means by which cancer cells get their energy. In this way fructose nourishes normal cells, and starves cancer cells.

If you don't get other replies, go back and search thru cancer compass - check the nutrition and alternative treatment boards.  I know there are some really good message threads from past months on liquid nutrition that will also fight cancer.

As for canned formulas, many people prefer Jevity - it isn't so high on the sugars, and doesn't seem to cause as much gas.

Wishing you the best,

Tre

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by megamax49 on Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:00 AM

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Something I have used with my wife is GreensFirst. It is 10 times nutitional value. I also made smooties out of Greensfirst, yogurt, alittle juice, soy protein and a banana or apple or just about any other fruit like blueberrys and ice and blend it. It comes out kinda green but don`t let that bother you. I even put in a little flaxseed oil but if you are on chemo it might make it taste a little soapy. If you can handle, it that`s your omega   3`s

RE: What is the best liquid diet for during treatments?

by trehouse60 on Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 3/18/2009 isdatzo wrote:

I'm sorry, but the information in the comments you got is not backed-up by relevant information from human studies.

Interesting findings were done in rodents, and in-vitro, but there is little evidence any vegetable or fruit item will have an impact on cancer at any stage. The problem with cancer of the tongue is that very few studies show any information about this specific type of cancer and therefore, reliable information probably does not exist at this moment in time.

No information currently supports an effect of fruit juice against cancer:

http://canceranddiet.nl/total_cancer/Fruit-juice.html

 

It is very likely though that losing a lot of weight will decrease your chances of survival. Don't let that happen if possible.

 

Good luck!

 

 


What an absolutely awful thing to say to this poster who is seeking help for liquid nutrition!!!

How do you know what evidence someone else may be using to back up their comments?  Just because you have one thing that says there is no relevance of the nutrition found in fruits having an impact on cancer doesn't mean that there aren't an abundance of other references that say fruit DOES have an impact on cancer, ANY kind of cancer. I could probably provide 10 reputable references that the nutrients in fruits and vegetables are important for fighting any kind of cancer for the ONE reference you provided that says fruits have no value.

You know what? - there's a HUGE difference between juicing raw fruits and drinking commercially prepared pasteurized and homogenized fruit juice off the shelf.  Are you trying to say that vitamin C, the B vitamins, vitamins A and D, anti-oxidants, oligoproanthocyanidins, calcium, trace minerals, phytosterols and a myriad other phytochemicals found in fruit can have absolutely no positive impact on this man's health?   Are you absolutely crazy enough to ignore the possibility that by choosing to eat healthy food this man just might be able to incorporate nutrients that will aid his body in fighting cancer?

And then to give a warning against losing too much weight without even offering any suggestion of how to prevent that from happening is unconscionable.  Just what option do you think someone on a liquid diet has if they don't want to use commercially prepared artificial sugary drinks like Ensure?????

I apologize if I seem like I'm going off the deep end here, but it really bothers me when people nay-say the benefits of natural nutrition and treatment and can't offer a reasonable alternative.

Sincerely,

Tre

 

RE: What is the best liquid diet for during treatments?

by Shemay on Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:00 AM

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Perhaps you missed this one while doing your research...... http://www.healthdiscoveries.net/nutrition-with-cancer-treat ................... _____________________________________________________________

On 3/18/2009 isdatzo wrote:

One reference I provided? A systematic review of the literature is not one reference.

I know exactly what I am talking about when I'm saying there's no evidence for a protective effect of fruits and vegetables!

I have extensively searched the literature for data from all prospective studies relating vegetables and fruits to cancer risk and mortality. In addition, I searched all reference lists from relevant studies to find additional articles. Here's my search term: http://canceranddiet.nl/Methods.html " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://canceranddiet.nl/Methods.html " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://canceranddiet.nl/Methods.html " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://canceranddiet.nl/Methods.html

This means I included data from all studies I found myself and from all studies found by the authors of the included articles. I think this is the most reliable way to include all relevant data available.

 

Since you are sure you found at least 10 reputable references saying otherwise, maybe you can tell me which articles with prospective data I've missed...

 

I am not saying nutrients in fruits and vegetables have no impact on his health. I am saying there's no evidence the will increase risk of cancer survival. There's good evidence fruits and vegetables protect against stroke and heart disease.

 

The recommendation not to lose weight is made because any oncologist will tell you losing to much weight is dangerous. And probably much more dangerous than not eating your spinach.


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by trehouse60 on Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:00 AM

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Dear Caveman and others who are following this post:

A friend sent me these two links - interesting reading, and great references links included:


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/printerfriendlynews.php?news





http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/printerfriendlynews.php?news

The ESMO symposium is being held this weekend - I imagine there will be a press release of the findings presented at the symposium.  Will be interesting to hear what they have to say.

I think that more and more the scientific and medical communities are going to have to consider the importance of nutrition in both preventing and treating cancer. Our bodies cannot stay well if they are nutritionally bankrupt, and our immune system and other bodily cancer-fighting processes can't be effective if they lack the basic chemical tools with which to do their job.

We may not be able to yet definitively say without challenge that nutrition cures cancer, but certainly ample evidence exists that proper nutrition is a necessary component of prevailing against it.

So viva la juicers and blenders!!

Sincerely,

Tre

RE: What is the best liquid diet for during treatments?

by Shemay on Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:00 AM

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Good morning isdatzo My information is based on several years of research into the subject and also the experience of a very dedicated medical doctor who treats his cancer patients alternatively. I am just ONE of the members on this board who are living "proof" that indeed cancer can be beaten using ONLY alternative protocols that include diet, supplementation and gentle, natural treatments such as intravenous vitamin C......... Have a look at this video of a presentation by Dr. Jeanne Wallace and if you are truly interested in "thinking outside the box" and doing some research with an open mind I'll gladly share some more links.............http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8203376527577997655 ..................... _______________________________________________________________

On 3/19/2009 isdatzo wrote:

I did no "mis" that one. The literature review included all prospective studies.

Contrary to the opinion based on information searched to back up a predefined idea in your reference.

On 3/18/2009 Shemay wrote:

Perhaps you missed this one while doing your research...... http://www.healthdiscoveries.net/nutrition-with-cancer-treat " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.healthdiscoveries.net/nutrition-with-cancer-treat " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.healthdiscoveries.net/nutrition-with-cancer-treat " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.healthdiscoveries.net/nutrition-with-cancer-treat ................... _____________________________________________________________

 


 


 


RE: What is the best liquid diet for during treatments?

by trehouse60 on Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:00 AM

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The video presentation by Dr Jeanne Wallace (see Shemay's post for the link) is long and somewhat technical, but an excellent presentation.

Dr Wallace's web site is:  http://www.nutritional-solutions.net/index.html

This is an highly technical but excellent medical extract from her site about the importance of nutrition as adjunctive therapy to cancer treatment, specifically brain cancer, but applicable to all cancers in general:
http://www.nutritional-solutions.net/Articles/ICTarticleinfl

from the FAQ section on her web site:
"Where do you get your information? I sometimes hear doctors dismiss nutritional therapies as "unproven". This criticism is untrue. Rather, doctors are unfamiliar with the large volume of research that supports nutritional therapies. The information I utilize comes from research published in scientific journals, medical textbooks and trade publications. To keep current in the field, I regularly attend medical conferences, review published research studies and interview prominent researchers about promising new cancer treatments and clinical trials."

There have been a number of articles published in the Cancer Compass newsletter about the importance of nutrition and botanical therapy as an adjunct to cancer treatment in the past several months alone, plus articles emphasizing certain foods, giving recipes, etc. Curcumin has been given attention by the Cancer Compass editors as have vitamin C, and broccoli (for the sulforaphanes - I might not have spelled that correctly!).  These are just a few of the things that Cancer Compass and CTCA have brought to notice.  The past week saw information about including pumpkin and winter squash as important part of the diet. A search of past issues of the newsletter would reveal a great many more similar topics.  Nutrition is one of the main issues addressed by cancer patients who have turned to CTCA for help in combatting this dread disease. 

There have literally been hundred  of studies done on the benefits of nutrition in treatment of cancer.  Many are still on-going. To say that any one reference can present ALL of the available literature on prospective studies does gross injustice to the thousands of dedicated health care professionals and scientific researchers who are devoting/have devoted their time and energy to the treatment of cancer.  A systematic review of the literature is indeed a good thing, but a bogus claim of an all-inclusive review of the literature should not be used to discredit the very real proven beneficial effects of dietary adjunctive treatment of cancer.

Linus Carl Pauling (February 28, 1901 – August 19, 1994) was an American scientist, peace activist, author and educator.  He was one of the most influential chemists
in history and ranks among the most important scientists in any field
of the 20th century. Pauling was among the first scientists to work in
the fields of quantum chemistry, molecular biology and orthomolecular medicine.  He is one of only 4 individuals to have won multiple Nobel prizes, the only one to win two in unrelated fields, and the only person to have been awarded each of his prizes without sharing it with another recipient. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling

Dr Pauling devoted the latter years of his life to studying the relationship between nutrition and treatment of disease, especially cancer.  Of monumental note was his successful work on using Vitamin C in the  treatment of cancer.  Many noted scientists have carried on Dr Pauling's researcg and continue to make huge strides in both the realm of empirical data and applied science.  Significant research advances have been made at the Linus Pauling Institute at the University of Oregon.  If you go to their website, you can get reliable scientific data on nutrients and their valid use in treatment of disease, including cancer.  I have used their site, among many others,  repeatedly in my own research on using foods, herbs and botanicals as regards improving and maintaining health. 

LPI  is just one of many highly respected research bodies that are releasing positive data about the role of nutrition as an adjunct to medical treatment across the board, including cancer. There is a tremendous wealth of documentation of the positive effect of nutrition on health, including cancer.  While not every person will be cured or put into remission through natural means alone, there is plenty of irrefutable evidence, both empirical and anecdotal, that some people have benefited from the botanical and supplemental approach alone. There is an astoundingly even greater body of evidence that nutrition and biochemical inclusion as adjunct treatment is an important part of cancer treatment for all concerned. To put it quite simply:  if the body lacks the basic biochemical building blocks to carry out disease fighting processes, no amount of medicine in the world is going to make it happen.  It just plain makes sense to at least supplement conventional treatment with good food, and supplements to make up for what the diet lacks.

People who say that fruits and vegetables, proteins, vitamins, minerals, anti-oxidants, numerous phytosterols and phytochemicals, etc,  have no place in treatment of cancer other than to provide us food to eat are wearing huge blinders to the truth. Natural therapy may not be the entire answer, but it must be seen at least as part of the answer if the great majority of those seeking victory over this vicious beast are to truly realize their goals.

Sincerely,

Tre

RE: What is the best liquid diet for during treatments?

by trehouse60 on Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:00 AM

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I was looking back through past Cancer Compass" Cancer News posts, found this great article on juicing:

 http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,34307

The article has some great recipes, plus a site you can go to for more great recipes.  One thing that is used in the recipes is a veggie people don't often associate with either juicing or cancer treatment:  cucumber.  That's unfortunate, because cucumber is an action-packed veggie - lots of important phytochemicals.  [Technically cucumber is a fruit, often referred to as cucumber melon, part of the gourd family and related to muskmelon (canteloupe.)]  Make sure to eat the seeds too - I believe I read they are a good source of vitamin b-17. The peels also contain b-17 and important phytochemicals, but should not be juiced/eaten unless you are absolutely sure they are organic unwaxed cucumbers. (seeds and peels from larger cucumbers may be very bitter - I try to get the smallest cucumbers I can - they just taste better!)

And since I just mentioned it, another fruit that is rapidly coming into season- canteloupe.  USE IT!!!  Canteloupe has much to offer in the way of nutrition and cancer-fighting phytochemicals - a couple of servings a week while in season is an excellent choice. Canteloupe's cousin, honeydew melon, is also very nutritious, but somewhat higher in sugar content - perhaps not as good a choice for those fighting cancer.

Another fruit that people often don't think of adding to juiced fruits and veggies is coconut. Fresh organic coconut meat is absolutely best, but dried chopra is ok if that's what you have access to.  Get organic if you can.  Coconut oil is an excellent choice - the best coconut oil is organic virgin oil that has been expeller pressed from fresh picked coconuts rather than dried chopra. Most health food stores carry it, and many grocery stores also have it in their organic ad international foods sections. It's more expensive, but lasts a long time.  It has a very low melting point, so it can easily be added to a room temperature juiced drink without being greasy, you only need a tsp for an 8 ounce drink serving,  and it's a good way to get essential fatty acids.

Sincerely,

Tre

RE: What is the best liquid diet for during treatments?

by charm08max09 on Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 3/17/2009 thecaveman wrote:

Hello. I have base of tongue cancer and cancer in surrounding lymph nodes of the neck. Perhaps I should place this post in the 'head and neck cancer' section, but I thought it best fit into the nutrition section. The key here is, I have a feeding tube and may soon not be able to swallow enough foods to maintain my weight. I am already very thin. The doctors have recommended ENSURE (a protein drink), but Ensure is loaded with sugars and that seems to violate everything I have studied about fighting cancer. Any help on what to drink and still maintain proper nutrition and weight is appreciated. ... or provide your opinion, is Ensure best for me? I am just afraid I may not be giving myself the best possible chance to succeed at this. Thank you all. Leonard.

Hi Leonard

I am not an expert but I drink  so nice soya beverage that is full of 15 essentials including high in protein and calcium. (and calories)  I only drink chocolate because I'm not a fan of soya milk and that is the only brand I like but there are lots out there.

I make a fruit smoothie everyday  with a good protein powder.  The one I just discovered is Progressive Harmonized Protein and it is supposed to be one of the top ones for cancer now. I use vanilla as you can mix it with anything.   I start with  a good orange juice (tropicana) - probiotic organic yogurt any kind of fruit or vanilla - a banana - any fruit strawberries (any berries they are extremely good for cancer) -  pineapple - peaches etc.  fresh (organic or washed very good)  are best but frozen are good -- they have packs of mixed fruits tropical are good.  I would rather have natural sugars than the ones in ensure.  I add flax seed oil  a tablespoon or so and 2 tablespoons of ground flax seed and a 1/2 to full tablespoon of ground bee pollen.  The flax seed and bee pollen will probably be to gritty for the tube feeding (maybe the berry seeds as well). Blend really well again for the tube.  I would go to a health food store or naturalpathic doctor to see alternative liquids equivelent to ensure. For vegetables get a juicer and make as many green ones and carrot/orange veggies that you can. There are lots of good recipes for juices.  Also take a tablespoon of  Naka Vital Greens daily in water. Liquid vitamin C probably would be a good idea. Hopefully you can get some sun for vitamin D or a liquid supplement they say 1000 IU a day. Naturally drink plenty of water.  Again I'm not an expert but the healthier liquids the better for your internal organs and immune system.  Get plenty of rest and exercise in whatever way you can.  Probiotics in a liquid form is a must if you can find something.  My son drinks the shots they just came out with by companies like Astro Bio Best Maximmunite -- 8 in a pack -- 1 a day.

 My dad died of liver cancer in 1985 and he lived on the ensure. When they discovered the cancer it was too far advanced.  Along time ago, and science has come along way since.   I wish I knew then what I know now.  I have colon cancer that showed up in my omentum last August after 1 year off chemo so my battle is on as well.  I swim as many days as I can as that is my favourite exercise.  I read 9 hours of sleep/rest in a dark room daily completely regenerates your immune system.   

 I hope these ideas help you and God Bless you in your battle. 

Debra from Ontario  Canada

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