facts from 2 Drs.

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facts from 2 Drs.

by vwxyz on Fri Mar 09, 2012 03:37 PM

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Within the last 3 Primary appointments, we have been told my sons liver is shot by his Primary Dr. I don't know what to do to heal it. He has an identical twin brother to get a piece of his liver in a  transplant. My son says stop the meds. I say no-o-o, not time yet.

His Neuro-Onc. says "no more medicine" infatically yesterday.  His MRI showed enhancement last time and this time they discovered it must be minimal scar tissue, so I would guess, all is well?  So WHY state "no more medicine"?   

Are there any effective ways to fight this horrible invader when it starts to grow?  I have to prepare my son and do not want him to give up and stop living and planning for the future.

He also has a past history of deep cavernous medical issues. It means the entrance to blood vessels and blood flow in the deep parts of his brain keep opening, oozing blood, healing, closing, others then open, heal, close, etc. til the cycle is ended for the moment. I thought it was the radiation that caused/irritated the deep part of my sons brain to bleed, thus the N.O. cut the Temodar mgs. back to 230mgs every 5/28 for 12 months only. He has been off the Temodar for 5- 6 months now, on his own.

What are we supposed to do?  Take this lying down without an effective fight?  Jan

bernadettep bernadettep

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by bernadettep on Fri Mar 09, 2012 03:51 PM

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If you are interested in complimentary medicine you may want to try silymarin (milk thistle). Our naturopath has recommended for my husband. Take care Bernadette

bernadettep bernadettep

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by bernadettep on Fri Mar 09, 2012 03:56 PM

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Oops. I meant silymarin for liver. As far as the brain cancer there are several trials for recurrence if it happens. Have you been on virtualtrials.com ?

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by Ducks-n-Row on Fri Mar 09, 2012 04:34 PM

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As a Dad myself we want nothing more to protect our children. I have 5 children of which there are Triplets 3yrs old. For me I am the one with this disease and I do so wish to protect them from what it has done to me but.......in each one I am honest to the degree they can understand. They range in age from 21,17, and 3yrs. On the other side My Dad and Mom completely know whats up. As well as my siblings. They know this is a HARD fight for me and as well them to see what it has done to me. I try to run a fine line between qaulity and quantity of life. This can be a challenge and sometimes a difficult decision.  "He has been off the Temodar for 5- 6 months now, on his own." Sounds like it is time for a talk with your son and listen to what he has to say. There is no easy way to fight this disease........It has been hard and I am sure as a parnet it has been HARD for you. Listen to him with your heart....



Dx Nov 07 

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by vwxyz on Fri Mar 09, 2012 05:30 PM

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Bernadette, where can I find a naturopath Dr. in Massachusetts?

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by andy73 on Fri Mar 09, 2012 06:42 PM

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by siblingof on Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:15 AM

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Probably the doctor said no more medicine because of your son's liver problems. They can't really tell what the MRI enhancement is without surgery. I think you have to let your son decide...

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by andy73 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 02:34 AM

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In his book,  Dr. Max Gerson writes that the underlying cause of cancer is from the poisoning of the of the liver. He states, "cancer is a disease of the liver" . The liver is lately called the balance wheel of life - where most metabolic functions are more or less concentrated. From here other organs can be pathologically influenced and damaged or poisoned.
The origin of the cancerous disease is more probable where the reactivation of the oxidizing enzymes, one of the finest developed functions of the liver is impaired.

As naturopaths, we were trained to focus heavily on the liver. We had a motto which was "when in doubt - treat the liver"

For the past 50 years we have been exposed to an ever increasing amount of environmental toxins and concurrently we are seeing an escalating incidence of cancer. Now, our genetics have not changed that much in 50 or 100 years. So, we know it is from our lifestyle and environmental exposures. So as the body becomes more toxic - the liver has a greater burden and becomes more compromised in the process of trying to clear all the exogenous as well as endogenous toxins from the body. A toxic residual accumulates - back to one of the inciting causes of tissue damage syndrome.
Now, the weaker the genetics - the greater the susceptibility. 


The coffee enema is capable of removing circulating toxins and partial metabolites because it stimulates an enzyme system in the liver called glutathione-s-transferase. It removes electrophiles (free radicals) by stepping up this system by 700%. 
No other materials other than coffee are known to do this. The blood passes thru the liver every 3 mins so when the coffee is held for 15 min, it gets five passes thru the liver.
In addition, the theobrominetheophylline, and the caffeine in the coffee all have physiological effects. They dilate the blood vessels and bile ducts, relax the smooth muscles and increase the flow of bile
In addition, the quart of water in the gut stimulates the visceral nervous system which stimulates peristalsis. Net effect - the flushing of toxic bile.

We know a lot more today about the detox function of the liver than in Dr. Gerson's day. We know it has two parts - Phase I and Phase II - two wash cycles so to speak. Some toxins are excreted after Phase I and others need a second wash in Phase II - they need to be conjugated with a carrier molecule. One of the most important systems of Phase II is the glutathione conjugation pathway which utilizes glutathione for the detoxification of deadly industrial toxins such as PCBs the for the breakdown of other carcinogens and xenobiotics including heavy metals. 

Its activity accounts for 60% percent of the toxins excreted in the bile.
There are 6 detox pathways in Phase II (glutathione conjugation, sulfation, peptide conjugation (taurine and glycine) glucoronidation, acetylation and methylation. They have the ability to back up for one another.

Back to glutathione, it can get depleted with the constant stress of excess toxins and so even stimulating with the coffee, we need a reserve of glutathione. That is where dietary nutrients are so important. Some of the foods that support are the

  • cruciferous vegetables,
  • flax seed oil, fresh fruits,
  • garlic,
  • other vegetables,
  • onions.

Supplements that do this are:

  • CoQ10,
  • B-12
  • Vitamin C - Important for patients to eat a great variety of veggies.
  • Carotenes
  • Niacin
  • Milk thistle

The liver must also be able to detoxify tumor breakdown products. 


Dr. Gerson found that in cancer dietary protein stimulated tumor growth, and patients with high protein intakes could not be saved.
He also noted that when he restricted dietary protein, the immune profile changed - the t-lymphocyte count went up - the branch of the immune system that fights tumors, viruses and fungi.

And he also found that restricting protein caused more sodium to be eliminated in the urine. He stopped protein for 6 to 8 weeks in order to cause Na to leave damaged cells and allow the edema to be absorbed. He believed that Na is trapped in the body with protein. Ling found this also.
Excess protein creates acidity and puts extra strain on the kidneys and later the heart.

Dr. Robert Good, Director of Sloan Kettering Institute of Cancer Research, did studies with protein restriction on animal, mice and guinea pigs. Those on protein-calorie restriction, even genetically predisposed, did not develop CA and if they had it, it regressed. Also auto-immune dz.

Current research also shows T-cell immunity is raised and serum blocking antibody is depressed. In cancer, tumor specific antibody is produced by B cells which attaches to the antigenic sites on tumor cells, covering the antigenic sites. This prevents the T-cell from having access to the tumor and destroying it.

  • Use cultured non fat milk products.
    A typical patient loses around 40 gms protein a day through entrails. Mostly replaced by vegetarian diet. Dairy protein adds 30 to 40 gms more than is required - keeps in positive nitrogen balance.

    The combined protein restriction, high K, Low Na regime removed the Na ring (edema) around the tumor improving circulation and immune activity at the site       
  • As found on http://www.gersonhawaii.us/articles/biological_basis_gerson.

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by vwxyz on Sat Mar 10, 2012 03:54 AM

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siblingof, is it possible that the liver function can get back to where it was in good working order after backing off of the medicines?  Have you tried the milk thistle? 

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by siblingof on Sat Mar 10, 2012 01:34 PM

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I really don't know; some liver damage is reversible and some isn't. You'd have to ask the doctor.
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