Alternative Therapy for Pancreatic Cancer?

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RE: Alternative Therapy for Pancreatic Cancer?

by gerryf on Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:34 PM

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Hi look at the chemo abraxane

RE: Alternative Therapy for Pancreatic Cancer?

by medicalnic on Sun Jan 01, 2017 03:22 AM

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On Dec 12, 2016 4:01 AM Dandygal76 wrote:

Hey you.  I know where you are coming from on this.  I am constantly championing the PC cause and am involved in a lot of people and their early diagnosis trauma.  I only came across this post because I googled the latest news and you came up in it.  It is difficult to advise you when we have no context... age? lifestyle? etc.  What I will say to you is several fold.  Firstly, I have never seen anyone recover with alternatives alone (I think they help but they are not the be all and end all solution).  The trial my dad is on is with Abraxane and they are seeing 10% of people survive 5 years now (on various trials) and there was a recent article saying there will be dramatic changes in the next 5 - 10 years with regard to immunotherapy.  I always say you should have a mutifaceated approach to this.  Secondly, my dad got to rock bottom on chemo 2-3 months in and we went to hell and back trying to get him where he is today (I thought he would throw it all in... he was 63 then by the way).  However, he has a great quality of life now and life is good.  Your body will adjust as well as all the other remedies.  Thirdly (I know it was a different PC) but Steve Jobs with all his money and resources tried the alternative route only to start and regretted it (I maintain there is a a place for it though).  The one thing that really helped my dad turn the corner was antidepressants (my dad has never been one for these things but he got that low).  There is something it does in many people to help tolerate the chemo and the situation.  Interestingly, there have been studies as well to show that even before diagnoses PC sufferers and more likely to suffer depression.  There is so much you can throw at this right now and the chemo can get easier.  Don't look into the abyss.  If you read the stats correctly them most people lose the battle the first year and I boringly calculated once that if you make the 1st year you have a 25% chance of making 5 years when you take into account those lost and those still fighting.  There is hope and there is life with chemo.  Honestly my dad was a mess.  I wish you all the best but don't close down your options too much when there is hope. x

Hi, l am 20 months post chemo (fulfirinox) and 5 double dose radiation. I was diagnosed at 54 years old in july 2014. I started treatment in Oct 2014. I had 12 treatments, however it was very rough going and by the 8th treatment I wanted to quit but persevered. I had stage 3 pancreactic adenocarcinoma to the body of the pancreas and some lymphnode involvement. I was not a candidate for surgery.  So, after being told a second time from a surgeon that I still wasn't a candidate after having a clear CT. I decided to drink dandelion root tea everyday. I buy it in  bulk by the pound and brew it myself. It has been 20 months now and my last CT was in Oct 2016 and still showed clear. I buy it from premierherbal.ca   out of Toronto, Ontario Canada. 

My oncologist is scratching his head but told me, whatever you are doing, keep doing it.

Hope this helps, and God Bless.

RE: Alternative Therapy for Pancreatic Cancer?

by megala on Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:13 AM

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Buford, my friend has chosen to forgo chemo, radiation, and surgery for his adenocarcinoma because of the poor prognosis given to him. We were unable to find a doctor to guide us, but this is what we did:

First thing we did was to find the cause of the cancer so that it can be addressed. I searched the internet for causes of pancreatic cancer and did not find a good list in once place, but from what I gleaned, for him the risk factors that applied were working a night shift (lack or melatonin); diet of processed meat, dairy, and refined sweets, not enough fruits and vegetables; over use of asthma drugs; family history of diabetes and blood glucose readings in pre-diabetes range; overweight; and a great deal of stress associated with recent grief. In the past, he had been exposed to a lot of auto exhaust, and did not exercise, although he was a hard worker. 

He was badly jaundiced, so had to have a biliary stent put in. That helped a lot, relieving the itching skin and symptoms of toxicity from the over-worked liver and blocked gall bladder.

Next, we addressed each of the supposed risk factors. The easiest should have been adding melatonin, but he would not usually remember it. The hardest was an overnight switch to the vegan diet, without wheat, salt, or any refined sugar, and all food organic. We began juicing. Dr. Greger has YouTubes on what fruits and vegetables are best for which cancers, so later we started emphasizing those.  Juicing gave way to using a Vitamix for the easier clean up. I am still uncertain if juicing is a good idea for those who do not have enough of a pancreas left to control their blood sugar. Now, most of his fruits and vegetables are served with their pulp. Berries, mangos, and sour apples are our most-used fruits. Finding food without added sugar or salt was a huge (and depressing) challenge. Salt was eliminated completely for about 4 months, then unrefined salt allowed after that. As much turmeric and cinnamon, were tossed into recipes, and the essential oil of orange used generously in smoothies. Every meal was accompanies with digestive enzymes.

Because the poor diet had disrupted his microbiome, we added probiotics to his protocol, and enzymes as well. Some enzymes were to digest meals; others were for between meals, to "eat" cancer cells. Raw sauerkraut and kombucha were used daily.

The sauerkraut had a dual purpose. It was also used to kill the taste of therapeutic grade Black Seed Oil (also known as cumin seed oil; the Latin name is Nigella sativa). We use one with the high Thymoquinone (TQ) content. It has a very strong taste, but if it is followed by a bite of sauerkraut, it is easier to take.

He began vitamin C IVs right away, having 50 grams in weekly sessions for about 4 months. We hoped that would kick start his immune system and help him detoxify. It was not covered by insurance, so he finally quit them. He was taking a gram of vitamin C every two hours while he was awake, so kept up with that afterwards. Now, he is experimenting with a liposomal vitamin C as well. In addition, he used d-Limonene and Alpha lipoic acid. 

To expose cancer cells to the immune system, natto was our choice. It is available as a supplement (the one without vitamin K), but now we are using the real thing, a spoonful tossed into the smoothies. To attack the exposed cells we use amla (Indian gooseberry) either frozen or powdered, from the Asian market. A immune boosting mushroom supplement and a garlic supplement were for immune system support. Milk thistle was the choice for helping the liver detoxify dead cancer cells and the other waste products and toxins. (Kombucha also helps detoxify.)

Bitter almonds are yet to be added to the protocol. Also, the use of magnesium glycinate and daily baths with magnesium flakes was not used regularly, although it was recommended by a researcher. Other possible helpers to consider would be iodine supplementation and vitamin D. He has also had some help with single, classically chosen homeopathic remedies.

You notice that much of the above is in past tense. That is because he began feeling and looking better than he had for at least a decade, so got over-confident, went off his diet, and neglected to keep up on the supplements. The result was that, after confusing the doctors by shrinking while he was on the protocol, the tumor quickly grew or moved to close his duodenum. He nearly starved to death while waiting to have a duodenal stent put in so that food and water could exit his stomach and go into his intestines. He is gradually regrouping now, but still ill from having gone 36 pounds below his ideal weight from about a month of being unable to ingest any food or supplements. Even with this setback, the oncologist's nurse exclaimed how good he looks, after 2 years since the first severe symptoms and 19 months after biopsy-confirmed diagnosis. 

Pancreatic cancer is tricky, because of the blood sugar and digestion issues, but from the progress he made, I think it is manageable and probably curable. I hope you prove that it is. Best wishes to you.

RE: Alternative Therapy for Pancreatic Cancer?

by gooberboy on Tue Jan 10, 2017 04:05 AM

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megala, as I said earlier in this post I think people should follow proven methods but I also know that the prognosis for adenocarcinoma pancreatic cancer is grim and when ALL standard treatments fail I will try these alternative methods. I also researched what might work and found the same ingredients you have. Some addition treatments include turkey tail mushrooms, theracumin (better than cumin), IP-6 or inositol hexaphosphate, Reishi mushroom, l-proline, amp-k stimulator, and oregano oil. The real issue seems to be breaking through the storma or coating around the virus so your immune system kills the virus. Let us know how Buford health progresses and best wishes.

RE: Alternative Therapy for Pancreatic Cancer?

by YooonY on Wed Jan 11, 2017 01:43 PM

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Wow this is very disciplined regime.. Does your friend know his ca19-9 levels?

RE: Alternative Therapy for Pancreatic Cancer?

by megala on Wed Jan 11, 2017 09:45 PM

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On Jan 11, 2017 1:43 PM YooonY wrote:

Wow this is very disciplined regime.. Does your friend know his ca19-9 levels?

In October of 2015, it was 638. (His tumor had shown on a scan in April of that year. The vegan diet was started in May; other bits of the protocol added soon thereafter. Biopsy when the stent was placed at common bile duct was positive for adenocarcinoma.

December of 2015, CA19-9 was 157 on the complete protocol. 

May of 2016, it was 337. I think this was about the time he started snacking on sugared granola every day.

October 2016, up to 601. This was after is having quit some of the protocol and much of the diet. He was having trouble with gas, bloating, and feeling too full because the tumor had grown enough to block his duodeum. His stent wasn't placed until Thanksgiving. Now, he is on the clean diet again, and resuming the protocol.  I hope there will be better numbers soon.

He stresses that the CA19-9 is not a very accurate marker because it measures several different proteins, and no one knows which ones are the most critical.

One interesting side effect of the protocol was change in his PSA. In April of 2014 it was 8.87--possibly a fluke, because June of 2014 was 4.39. However, on his pancreatic cancer protocol, which started in May of 2015, his PSA dropped to 3.10 in June of 2015; then to 2.13 in August of 2016.

RE: Alternative Therapy for Pancreatic Cancer?

by megala on Wed Jan 11, 2017 09:55 PM

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On Jan 10, 2017 4:05 AM gooberboy wrote:

megala, as I said earlier in this post I think people should follow proven methods but I also know that the prognosis for adenocarcinoma pancreatic cancer is grim and when ALL standard treatments fail I will try these alternative methods. I also researched what might work and found the same ingredients you have. Some addition treatments include turkey tail mushrooms, theracumin (better than cumin), IP-6 or inositol hexaphosphate, Reishi mushroom, l-proline, amp-k stimulator, and oregano oil. The real issue seems to be breaking through the storma or coating around the virus so your immune system kills the virus. Let us know how Buford health progresses and best wishes.

Thank you for sharing your findings, gooberboy. I see that my original post was confusing, because I addressed it toBuford, the person who started this thread, in a way which made it sound as if my friend is Buford. 

As for breaking through the storma, we are trying natto. Previously, he took the tablets; now, he is getting real natto in smoothies. 

Have you done any research on TH17?

RE: Alternative Therapy for Pancreatic Cancer?

by WonderWoman1 on Thu Jan 12, 2017 02:01 AM

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Great thread! Has anyone tried, used or heard about the Enzyme therapy? Ill try to post some links later on.

Im dizzy of researching :(

RE: Alternative Therapy for Pancreatic Cancer?

by megala on Sat Jan 14, 2017 06:34 PM

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On Jan 12, 2017 2:01 AM WonderWoman1 wrote:

Great thread! Has anyone tried, used or heard about the Enzyme therapy? Ill try to post some links later on.

Im dizzy of researching :(

My friend takes enzymes with every meal, to facilitate digestion. The ones from the health food store work better for him than the one his doctor prescribed. When he eats beans or cruciferous vegetables he adds a 300 galU tablet of Alpha galactosidase to his usual enzyme. For awhile, he was also taking enzymes between meals, their job being to attack cancer cells. I don't know which enzymes are the best for that job.

Modified citrus pectin was recommended for between meals, to pull out the toxins the enzymes break down. 

I'm looking forward to hearing about your research.

 

RE: Alternative Therapy for Pancreatic Cancer?

by WonderWoman1 on Sun Jan 15, 2017 06:30 PM

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i was doing research regarding that coat and how 

hyaluronidase 

works. 

im willing to share some links for reading if ur interested. It helped me understand that issue a bit more. 

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